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6 months 1 week ago #973 by Rutten, Marcel
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Sorry for writing in English, my command of written French is really bad. I hope you can still understand what I'm talking about.

I am new to this forum, the reason I joined is because in our orchard in Eindhoven, we have an apple tree which was unknown, until a recent DNA investigation pointed towards the name of "Jaune du Desert". This name came up because in the late 40's of the last century, pepinieres Gaujard-Rome sent some material to Geneva, upstate New York, in the USA. Their apple varieties were used as reference material for the DNA analysis. The only reference I can find is a 1931 catalogue by the Gaujard-Rome nurseries, in Chateauroux. They describe it as a cider apple, and that's it.
My question to this community is: Do you have any information on this apple variety (in any language)?

Looking forward to hearing from you,

Marcel

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6 months 1 week ago #974 by Fourey Henri
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Bonjour,
Pas de réponse dans tous les livres de pomologie sur les pommes à cidre, sauf le catalogue. Gaulard-Rome 1931
Peut-être une piste avec un producteur à Louvigné du Désert qui évoque sa "Petite Jaune" à cidre
Floraison 15 Mai / Maturité Octobre / Amère / 10-5 / Origine Inconnue
Il existe aussi une Belle du Désert
Cordialement.
Henri Fourey This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
www.ouest-france.fr/bretagne/fougeres-35...out-du-cidre-3806206

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6 months 2 days ago #976 by Fourey Henri
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Bonjour,
Pouvez vous nous donner des précisions sur le DNA de cette variété pour comparer avec nos données
ou bien son MUNQ si vous le connaissez.
Cordialement.
H.F.

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6 months 2 days ago #977 by Rutten, Marcel
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The DNA data are still being processed, for use in a scientific paper. Until that paper is finished, we cannot publish any data, but be sure we will share them with the scientific and pomological community when they are ready for publication. Just a little patience :-).

Marcel

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6 months 2 days ago #978 by Fourey Henri
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Re-bonjour,
Nous aurons bientôt les SSR et les SNP de vos échantillons, pour comparer au DNA de votre pomme. Nous devrions trouver si celle-ci est toujours présente sur nos collections en fruits à cidre.
Nous avons déjà une "Grand Mère du Desert" dans nos analyses MUNQ 4149 en 3n triploïde.
A bientôt sans doute.
Cordialement.
H.F.

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6 months 2 days ago #979 by Rutten, Marcel
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Not sure if our DNA samples have been compared to yours, although I'm pretty sure that the comparison will be done against the apple DNA database as created by e.g., the FruitBreedomics project, in which e.g., INRA participated. It is still being extended today, our accessions will be part of that database at some point.

As already said: just a little patience.

The one thing I can say right now is that our Jaune du Desert is also triploid. The triploid varieties' DNA hasn't been fully processed yet (pedigree reconstruction is not finished). Neither Jaune du Desert nor Grand Mere du Desert are listed in "Pommiers a Cidre" by Bore and Fleckinger. Do you have any pictures of the variety Grand Mere du Desert?

Joyeux Noel,

Marcel

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5 months 2 weeks ago #982 by Rutten, Marcel
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All the best for 2022.

I found a picture of Grand mere du Desert: http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/SHBL/photo-148506.html
It looks quite different from our Jaune du Desert, which is pale yellow (I don't have pictures of it, yet).

So, even without MUNQ code etc, for me it is clearly a different variety.

best,

Marcel

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5 months 2 weeks ago #983 by Fourey Henri
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Bonjour,
La Grand Mère du Désert a le MUNQ 4149
Quel est celui de votre Jaune du Désert ?
Cordialement.
Henri Fourey

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